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Why Jameis Winston is fading from best-young QB conversation

Roy Cummings

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TAMPA – Buccaneers quarterback Jameis Winston has produced some absolutely eye-popping numbers during his first two-plus years in the NFL, and indeed most of them are the kind any quarterback would be proud of.

Winston, for example, was the first quarterback ever to throw for more than 4,000 yards in each of his first two NFL seasons and his 50 touchdown passes over that span were the fifth most by a young quarterback.

At the same time, Winston has produced at least one stat that no quarterback can be proud of because it’s the kind that quarterbacks, coaches, teammates and fans can only wince at when they see it.

Through 41 career starts, Winston has turned the ball over 50 times, including 39 times via interceptions and 11 times via fumbles like the one he lost Sunday during the Bucs 26-20 loss to the Packers in Green Bay.

That is an unconscionable number and if you’re wondering why Winston has suddenly begun to fade from the conversation regarding the game’s best young quarterbacks, well wonder no more.

That stat alone tells you that for all the ways in which Winston can win a game for you, there are two ways in which he can and far too often loses games for you, and it happened again on Sunday.

On a first-and-10 play from the Packers 30-yard line, which means the Bucs were already in position to tie a game in which they were trailing 10-7 midway through the second quarter, Winston got greedy.

As he is wont to do and sometimes does rather well, Winston tried to keep a dying play alive when the better option would have been to let the play die out and live for another down.

Instead, while he was being taken down by nose tackle Kenny Clark, Winston tried to throw a pass (he says) to tight end Cameron Brate, who was nowhere in the vicinity at the time.

Who was in the vicinity was defensive lineman Dean Lowry, who grabbed Winston’s attempted throw out of mid air and ran the ball back 62 yards for a highlight reel touchdown.

For Winston, it was just another one of those plays that “he would like to have back,’’ as Bucs coach Dirk Koetter has had to say far too many times the last three years.

“That definitely can be an issue,’’ Koetter said of the downside of Winston’s refusal to quit on plays. “That’s something we’ve talked about many times, because Jameis is going to make some plays (in those situations).

 “And that one there, in a perfect world, he would’ve gotten the ball out of his hands. But they were quick on him, and you’ve got to remember, he’s 23-years old and experience is still the best teacher.’’

 You would think that a coach would be the best teacher but when the coach is hesitant to coach the competiveness out of Winston as the Bucs coaches are, then the lesson has to be learned through experience.

The only problem with that is, Winston does not appear to be learning from experience. Even bad experiences. After all, the play Winston tried to make Sunday was very similar to one he tried to make during a preseason game this year against Jacksonville.

The only difference was that that one occurred inside the red zone and that an official ruled Winton down by contact, thereby negating the interception he threw into the end zone while laying flat on his back.

Koetter gave Winston an earful on that one of course, telling him “You can’t do that ever, ever, ever,’’ to which Winston responded, “I got it.’’ Except it’s clear now that Winston still hasn’t got it.

Winston either hasn’t learned at all from that mistake or he refuses to learn from it because he would rather continue to put his team at risk than change out of his gunslinger persona.

As long as that remains the case, Winston will continue to stunt not only his own growth as a quarterback but the growth of the Buccaneers as a franchise and potential playoff contender.

And if that continues and Winston fails to ever achieve his goal of being a true franchise quarterback for a Super Bowl champions, well, he’ll have only himself to blame.

Roy Cummings is a native of Chicago, Illinois who grew up in the suburb of Lombard. He and his family later moved to Lakeland, Florida, where Roy attended high school at Kathleen High. He graduated from the University of South Florida with a Bachelor's Degree in Mass Communications in 1983 and immediately went to work for the Tampa Tribune. After five years working in a Polk County bureau covering everything from high school sports to college football to the Orlando Magic of the NBA, Roy moved back to Tampa and became the Tribune's first beat writer for the Tampa Bay Lightning, covering the team from its inception through the first eight years on the ice. He was then moved to the Buccaneers beat, where he stayed until the paper was folded in May, 2016. A two-time Florida Sports Writer of the Year, Roy has extensive experience covering all Tampa professional sports teams, including the Tampa Bay Rays.

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  1. CharlieC

    December 5, 2017 at 4:07 pm

    Winston played a good game behind a beat up offensive line. He has set records and his turn overs will improve with experience and age. He had his team ahead with 5 minutes left. The Bucs are in dire need of pass rushers for a decade now. The best years of Gerald Mcoy have been mired with no talent around him. Once the defense improves this team can compete again

  2. Jeffrey

    December 5, 2017 at 5:21 pm

    There is a guy in his 1st 3 seasons who had similar stats. PEYTON MANNING! And another HOF gunslinger named BRETT FARVE! So your article sucks.

  3. Bucko40

    December 5, 2017 at 6:25 pm

    Wow Jeffery. Peyton had on Losing season after his rookie year and never made the boneheaded mistakes that Winston continues to make. Garvey is a better comparison but again Favre was able to back up his mistakes. Winston has had 1 4th Qtr comeback thus far. He’s a dump truck and nothing but trash

  4. Jack Haydon

    December 6, 2017 at 8:38 am

    He is making mistakes, and we hear this every week. He will mature, we hope.

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Final injury updates for Bucs and Jaguars Sunday games

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As the Buccaneers get set to head to New York to play the Giants and the Jaguars are preparing to host the Steelers Sunday, it’s time to take a look at the injuries in those two games. (Reminder the Dolphins have their bye week for this weekend.)

Here’s a look at the latest:

For the Bucs, there Friday injury report has defensive names littered all over it and the news is not good for some of them.

After we were told by a source that Lavonte David was going to try to play Sunday, he apparently was overruled by the training staff and head coach Dirk Koetter, etc, and the Pro Bowl linebacker will be inactive with his sprained knee. Likewise, Vinny Curry will miss another game at defensive end, his fourth in the last five with a sprained ankle.

It’s the same situation with second year safety Justin Evans, who will miss the game with an injured toe suffered in the game with Washington last week. Defensive end Carl Nassib, who’s been a pleasant find off the waiver wire at the beginning of the season,  is questionable with a left elbow injury suffered agains the Redskins, although he was able to practice on Friday.

The Bucs also list their receiver Chris Godwin as questionable with an ankle injury, and another important injury is starting center Ryan Jensen, who’s questionable with a hamstring injury. If Jensen is unable to play Sunday, then Ali Marpet, starting at left guard this year, but who played center a lot of 2017, would likely take his place.

The Buccaneers opponents, the Giants, had four players on their injury list this week, but all of them are now slated to play in the game on Sunday.

For the Jaguars match-up, they have two significant injuries to update, starting linebacker Telvin Smith was able to practice this week with his shoulder injury and is listed as questionable, but expected to play against Pittsburgh. There is concern for defensive tackle Marcell Dareus with a triceps injury and he is also listed as questionable. Dareus will likely be a game time decision.

Defensive back A.J. Bouye has been bothered by a calf injury, but he is also expected to play after being able to practice Thursday and Friday and listed as questionable. Coach Doug Marrone also announced that tackle Erik Flowers, who left last week’s game with tendonitis in his knee will start on the makeshift Jaguars line.

As we wrote earlier in the week, Jacksonville placed Center Brandon Linder on injured reserve with a knee injury suffered in last week’s lost Indianapolis.

The Steelers have no significant injuries, despite Ben Roethlisberger and James Conner both being on the injured list,. They will both be playing on Sunday. Connor was a much bigger concern having been in concussion protocol earlier after suffering one in the win last Thursday night over Carolina.

However, he cleared the protocol and was able to fully practice this week.

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Bucs DE Jason Pierre-Paul ready to go get Eli Manning Sunday

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It’s one of those juicy subplots that we see all the time now in professional sports. A player gets to go against his old team and show them that maybe they made a mistake and letting him go. In this case on Sunday, Bucs defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul will battle against his old team, the New York Giants. And that means, against a lot of former teammates.

One in specific, quarterback Eli Manning, maybe less than thrilled.

JPP has been one of the most dominant edge rushers in the NFL over the last decade, nevertheless, the Giants elected to trade into the Buccaneers back in March.

So when the organization that you won the Superbowl with in 2011 has decided to move on without you, there’s naturally going to be some questions from the media about you playing against them for the first time. And, you going against their borderline Hall of Fame signal-caller, Manning.

Such was the case Wednesday in the Buccaneers locker room prior to practice:

Pierre-Paul has already energized the Bucs pass rush and has eight sacks in the first nine games. This includes a streak of five consecutive games with a sack earlier this season. That is the first time since Simeon rice in 2002 that a Buccaneer had five straight games with a sack in a single season.

And coming into Sunday at The Meadowlands he has 66 1/2 of them in his career and would love nothing better than to take down the leader of the G-Men.

And while the Giants did look better on offense in their Monday night comeback win over the 49ers, it has clearly been a struggle for them to pass protect, specifically, throughout the early part of this season.

Pierre-Paul has to have been salivating watching their offensive line whiff and get run over in game after game.

Further, Buccaneer defenders like pro bowlers Gerald McCoy and Lavonte David, plus players like Will gholston Brent Grimes and young safety Justin Evans went against Manning in a Tampa Bay’s win last September against the Giants.

A game that the Buccaneers squeaked out 25-23. A game where is Eli Manning threw it 49 times and wasn’t sacked once by the Buccaneers front seven. That’s a pass rush that was last in the NFL in sacks a year ago.

However, that was 2017. And, circling back to Pierre-Paul, he hopes to change that starting Sunday.

And, while it will be weird for him to dress in the visiting dressing room at MetLife Stadium and stand on the visiting near sidelines, he’s ready to put all of that aside, try to help the Bucs climb off the canvas and get a win in the Big Apple.

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What is status of Bucs LB LaVonte David’s injured knee?

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It’s been a rough enough last seven games for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, now comes word that another prominent defender may miss this week’s match-up with the Giants. A report Tuesday afternoon said that linebacker Lavonte David has been diagnosed with a knee sprain and his status is in doubt. That may not be the case, though. More on that in a moment.

First, Jenna Laine, the ESPN reporter for the Bucs, reported Tuesday afternoon about David’s injury from Sunday:

David was injured in the third quarter of Sunday’s lost to the Redskins, while making a tackle. He was examined underneath the “mysterious blue tent” and was initially diagnosed as being questionable to return to the game. He did return and played in the fourth quarter of the 16-3 loss to Washington.

And, a source with knowledge of David situation told F.F.I. on Monday that David had been examined, and it was not believed to be a serious injury. Further, the source told us that David would wear a knee brace this week in practice and be able to play in the game on Sunday.

The seven year veteran and two-time Pro Bowler is one of the key players on the Buccaneers defense and currently has 71 tackles with nine of them for losses. And he’s being counted on more heavily after Pro Bowl middle linebacker Kwon Alexander tore his ACL in an October game with Cleveland and will miss the rest of the season.

The Bucs have also seen starters in the defensive backfield Vernon Hargreaves and Chris Conte already placed on injured reserve back in September. Also Pro Bowl defensive tackle Gerald McCoy missed two games with a calf strain and has not looked a hundred percent in the last two games with Carolina and Washington since coming back from the injury.

If David is unable to play or is limited on Sunday, the Bucs will count more heavily on reserve linebacker Devante Bond. Bond has seen more playing time after Alexander’s injury and will be asked to increase his responsibilities in the middle of the Buccaneers defense, as well.

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